Don't have the setlist. But I remember…
Poets, Fireworks, ND, Tiger the Lion (rocked), NOIS (very last song),
Lake Fever, Scared, Long Time Running (rocked), Daredevil!, Save the Planet,
Grace, Too, Sherpa, Wild Mountain Honey, Don't Wake Daddy, ABAC, Springtime
in Vienna (ending chorus rocked, as always), Flamenco (Kate kicked ass
on this one; very good ending chorus for Gord D. and Kate), This is the
Bastard, Freak Turbulance (one of the encore songs), My Music at Work (second
song), Putting Down, Stay, The Completists, Emperor Penguin,
Chagrin Falls, At the Hundredth Meridian, Locked in the Trunk of a Car!,
Courage, Wheat Kings…that's all I can remember…another 29-song night!
Thanks to The Hip and Chris Brown and Kate Fenner for an awesome show!
Thanks to Patrick and Randy and Bob and Matt and his brother and Todd and
those other Hipsters I hung out with. I'm just a little disenchanted,
but maybe I'll always be this way. Maybe it's because I couldn't
sell my damn ticket and I didn't ask for any money from Patrick because
he has none, so
I'm in the hole 60 bucks. Maybe it's because I'd really rather
be Gord Downie's best friend than make myself wonder about his state of
mind all the time. Maybe it's because I still haven't "met" The Hip
in my definition of the word.
You just look at them and siiiiiigggghhhh…and know they love you…
Happy Thanksgiving, kids,
Daks
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I left Mississauga around 11am and hit the QEW crossed at Queenston
Lewiston Bridge...border guard asks where am I going ...I tell him....while
nodding with a knowing smirk and a little chuckle he slowly repeats...
"The Tragically Hip"....how many times has he heard that...its lunch time
so I stop at a place called Honeys in Niagara Falls NY...I want NY state
wings...the sign says "no refund on suicide wings!"...I figure alot places
say HOT but then they are mild..I order 10 hot....after the 2nd wing....
it was like someone dragged a wire brush across my scalp and blew red pepper
up my nose....f@#k they were HOT ... as I waited for the wings I checked
out the CD juke box sitting over in the corner....these discs haven't been
changed for a while....Journeys Greatest Hits..Zepplin #4.....and the only
Hip is the EP.....just before I leave I put enough money in the box to
play the whole CD and leave.....back to the I90......if you have ever crossed
the Grand Island bridge you know the view...looking toward the Falls you
can see the river drop into the gorge and the huge plume of mist looks
amazing from that angle....this bridge has a toll....I stop and give the
bearded lady....yes the bearded lady...my 50 cents.....I can't stop thinking
about the facial hair this woman had...there was more on her face hen GD
has on his head on his best day.....I cruise into a very quiet Erie....who
needs directions for these old theatres...just drive to to the oldest part
of the downtown core and there she sits grand and old...The Warner....I
get to park right in front and walk to the nearest place with any activity...The
Avalon Hotel....stroll in and low and behold there is the security dude
I've met ...30+ plus times and who lives in Mississauga...we talk for a
bit.. mostly about what isn't happening in Erie and the recent NYC show....the
fact I had 2nd row tickets to NYC and sold them to mutual friend....and
driving back tonight so everyone gets home for Thanksgiving...as it turns
out he was just
waiting for GD to come down and head over to the venue for soundcheck.....I
head over just ahead of them...go around back and run into 2 brothers I
know from the I&I much line up...Matt and Dave very Hip friendly cool
guys....we hang do the usual Hi everybody and wait for the check to begin....The
Hip are a very punctual band ....like clock work the Hip machine runs....the
2 brothers and I get a nice spot at the back which is obviously behind
the stage and listen away....we catch a nice glimpse of what is in store
for us tonight...after a song or 2 the venue security tells us we have
to move....did this guy do us a favour..we hussle around to another set
of doors and these are amazing...were in front and to close to the side
of the stage...I mean the bass drum was rattling these doors huge....these
were the gems that were to be played tonight...and all were except We'll
Go Too....which was done nicely during the check....all and all 6 complete
songs were done during this door rattling soundcheck which started at 4:30
and concluded at 5:30...Dave,Matt and I head out for some coffee or food
...I showed them the Avalon restrooms I had used earlier and went to check
out the hotel bar for some reason we lost site of each other and don't
meet up again until showtime...which is 7:30.....out front I try and dump
the extra tix to no avail...head in at 7:15 and buckle up.....opens with
Grace 2 really great crowd response.....mostly Clevelanders and Buffaloanians...you
know this by the response to " I remember...." you know the rest.......some
huge highlights....the extended version of Daredevil....so cool.....Sherpa..wicked
sound...excellent purple lighting... overall a very mood altering sensations.....Penquin
with the Chris keyboard thing sounds so great live....the very electric
finish of Scared......the Bobby Baker show all the way....the new long
intro into Poets and the groove that GS and BB get into is so f#$ken tight...the
first half is finished with Tiger which very very powerful live...you got
to believe...because GD makes you beleive....The Bastard...so good....GD
came right out and said this is for Michel Trudeau...The Completists......Wild
Mountain Honey live was great...so many of these M@W songs take on a life
of their own live....We got Locked in the Truck with Gordie for about 10
minutes...in was very clostrophobic.....by the time that tune is done you
really want it too...the let me outs and the tension is too much...an all
out acoustic version of Wheat..so nice Iike this ...but I personally like
the BB electric noodling sound..." I thought I would be home by now...stuck
in this prison cell....Long Time stood out as always....100th and NOIS
played straight up is a nice change...GD showed some affects of is recent
cold during Freak Turbulence....could of lived without that one....not
too much rambling during this how...Flamenco...got
to love kate..she adds huge to this one live...I only miss the part
where GD used to give the finger when he sang..."no one drags me anywhere
..." all and all a very nice 2 sets....how could anyone not
groove on a show 2.5 hours long full of amazing tune after tune....as it
turned out Matt and Dave were sitting 2 rows in front of me...so we went
out for a drink after rambled about the highlights...they left Erie around
11...and I left around 12....as a nice finish to the whole day I ran into
the bands buses at the toll booth in Buffalo....you gotta beleive....in
bed at 4am.... Happy Thanksgiving...I looked up to Lord above ..and said
hey man thanks.....Todd
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Here's the link to 6 photos from last night - If you take the time
to look - notice in a few the light show that we were treated to.
It was very dramatic and appropriate for each song - and really added to
the experience. We got to talk with john, gord d. and
paul last night - I gave Paul some of my recent pics of them (one's you
have not seen yet) and asked him if I could come along for a while - he
smiled, complimented my work - and said that we'd have to clear it with
a few more people first :) enjoy! jenn
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/jenngraley?d&.flabel=fld5&.intl=us&.src=bc&start=1
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Rory , wasn't sure how to post reviews , so just throwing it at you.
Thought about it some after reading Daks posting...since I'm the dad
of the family of four.
Here goes...first of all, did feel a little slighted by Gord D. at the
time, but who knows what he's going through personally
at the time.Not a big deal.Certainly was worth the two hour wait to
finally get Gord S.'s autograph on our print.
He was more than obliging, as well as conversational..a true gentleman.The
rest of the boys were friendly as well.
We had been anticipating our trip for quite a while, and our brief encounter
with the guys was an added bonus.
Daks was right when he said, my kids have been raised on a steady diet
of Hip music..I guess that comes easily
since it's always on in the house.But myself , I think it's more than
that...it's kinda like a zone..stemming from the
music...it seems true, but more than that it's passionate!..at least
I think so.As far as Mr. Downey seeming put out
yesterday..I think as fans, we want to let these icons know how we
feel, how much we enjoy what they are doing,
and mostly we would like to have been acknowledged and appreciated
(exactly as Gord S. was).
As for the show..it was everything I had hoped for. As an older fan,
it's been a treat to see them grow over the years.
All in all, a great day for myself and my family..one we won't forget.Our
print is going in tomorrow to be framed and will
be hung next to the portrait of Paul that graces our wreckroom wall
already.
Lastly, I don't have the luxury of getting to a lot of shows, but the
ones I've been to are treasured memories.
As always I'll attend them all through technology and communication..the
web page,hip.org, newsgroups and
henhouse..so for all you youngsters out there following the boys around...have
a blast, and post your stories.....
I'll be watching
It's you, and you, and you, and you.........
Dave Hill
Niagara Falls , On.
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Well, just got back from Erie. What a show! The band was
awesome (as usual) and the crowd was enthusiastic and well behaved.
My only complaint is that it was hard to hear Gord's rants from the far
right side of the theatre where I was sitting, but the show was great nonetheless.
The security guys were very layed back. They had no problem with
a few of us running straight up the middle aisle to the front to snap pictures,
as long as we returned to our seats after we got some shots.
I don't remember the exact set-list, but they played about 28 songs
with a few cool surprises thrown in like Long Time Running, Sherpa, Emperor
Penguin, and Locked. Johnny went bezerk on Daredevil! I think
I saw him break two sticks towards the end of the song. And Gord
Sinclair must have had a few blisters after Save the Planet. I don't
think I've ever seen him attack his bass like that before, striking the
strings with his hand like it was a guitar. It was awesome to watch.
Kate drew some enthusiastic applause during her verses on Scared and Flamenco.
Man, she's got a beautiful voice. Anyway, great show all around!
Aside from the music, my favorite part of the night was right after the
show- As we were filing out of the theatre some guy yelled "Anyone here
from Erie!" and when nobody answered, he yelled "Anyone here from Ontario!"
and the place went nuts.
Cheers,
Casey
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From everybody else's thoughts, we already know about the drive from
Kitchener down to Erie, PA, since it's not that different from the drive
from Mississauga, or the drive from Buffalo.
Other than the fact, that no one mentioned the snow. that fell shortly
after our arrival in Erie.
Beautiful theatre. Great show. But especially great from
3rd row centre. (except for the 4th row centre idiots who spilled
a pint of beer all over my leather jacket). Highlights? hearing Long
Time Running for the first time ever, the Bastard (one of my faves off
M@W) for the first time since Boston. As todlyn already mentioned,
the keyboards on Emporer Penguin were fantastic.
And not to rehash old arguments, but to all the Kate detractors out
there, I'd urge you to go into these shows with an open mind. Although
I was already in favour, I thought she did an absolutely bang-up job on
both Scared & Flamenco (both of which she solo-ed in). It's obvious
she's more comfortable with the songs & her role. She's actually
adding to the songs (singing between Gord's lines rather than straight
backup) and not trying to sing on EVERY song, just for the sake of singing.
Of course... if you're fundamentally opposed to Chris & Kate, I
don't have any good news for you.
Ian
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A HIP concert
By Dave Richards
Staff writer, Erie Times-News
So Gordon Downie, lead singer of The Tragically Hip, saunters onto the
Warner
Theatre stage with the rest of his band and he's dressed for the office
-- suit coat
, white shirt, nice slacks. Early on he loses the coat, but much later
-- for the
second set -- he sports a flashy tie.
What's more, the Hip not only come out on time -- rare for a rock show
-- but a
tad early, starting at about 7:26 p.m.
What's it all mean? Well, ascribing meaning to any Tragically Hip gesture
can be
a dicey prospect; they revel in mystery and abstraction. But here's a guess.
The
CD they're touring for is entitled "Music@Work," so Downie and band were
all
"business" at the Warner. And they not only did a terrific job -- which
wasn't
unexpected -- but put in some major overtime, too, stretching the show
well past
the 21/2 mark.
The near sellout crowd loved every minute on the time clock. Some Canadian
fans showed up wearing hockey masks, some wore hockey jerseys. Downstairs
on the main floor, nearly everyone stood the entire show; sitting was not
an
option. During a Hip show, their crackling electricity -- their live-wire
intensity --
soars through fans in waves.
The Hip excel at pacing; they know when to rev it up, when to slow it down.
It's
called dynamics and, well, they're dynamite at keeping the fans enthralled.
Downie is also one of rock's more compelling front men. He doesn't move
around
much; he's not a dance, and he really doesn't jabber much. But he's got
a little
David Byrne in him. He goes a bit over the top with the hand movements,
and he
loves the "Chorus Line" kind of leg snaps, kicking outward in ecstasy when
the
Hip reach crescendos like rockets lifting off.
During the set-opening "Grace, Too" -- no surprise, there -- Downie engaged
in
some playful back spasms, jerking himself sideways and backward while the
Hip
laid down the powerful, snaking riff that builds like a forest fire. It's
the Hip at its
most mesmerizing.
Next came "My Music at Work," the infectious lead single from "Music@Work,"
with lead guitarist Rob Baker reigning down cascading hooks. Baker has
a grand
style; he can get epic and spacey like Pink Floyd's David Gilmour or chunky
and
lean-and-mean, as on "Poets," which exploded with thunderous power. That
tune
owes a bit to the Rolling Stones, a debt Downie seemed to acknowledge with
a
little Mick Jagger-like, thrust-and-parry dance move.
This night was for the fans, with the Hip doing "An Evening With" that
spanned
(nearly) their entire career. Sure, they featured lots from "Music@Work"
-- the
stark, pulverizing "Tiger the Lion" (which closed the first set), the roaring
rocker
"Putting Down," and a steamy "Lake Fever," among others. And they reached
back for some surprises, like "Wheat Kings" from "Fully Completely," and
a
blistering "At the 100th Meridian" (from the same CD) that capped the regular
set.
Effortlessly they traveled from fragile, acoustic-driven gems like "Scared"
to --
just a few songs later -- the rousing, impassioned "Courage." Straight-ahead
rockers like "Save the Planet" simply sizzled with straight-ahead energy,
while
old favorites like "Ahead By a Century" sounded as sublime as ever, as
if the Hip
themselves never tire of them, either.
The Hip can be moody; they feed off a crowd's energy. If the folks up front
are
rude or nasty; they'll cut a show short. This Warner crowd was both respectful
and adoring, and the Hip seemed to eat it up -- fully, completely.
The only problem: After a full-throttle show like this, it'll be hard for
fans to go
back to work today, meeting Monday morning head on.
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so. now that i've decided to go back to school again(after this week,
i'm gonna have to be sweet talkin all my profs), i have homework to put
off... so i guess i'll do an erie review/summary of my week.
here goes:
erie: the show in erie seemed a little subdued to me. but the more
i think about this, the more i realize that this was most likely only because
i wasn't up front like i was for rochester, syracuse and new york.
aside from that- awesome show. kate sounded great on flamenco and scared,
and ian's right, getting a little more creative, rather than straight backups.
long time was wonderful again, daredevil was incredible and locked...wow.
chagrin falls...sounded fucked up. the last 2 times i've seen it, something's
off. can't put my finger on it , but last night, i found myself thinking,
"why are they wasting their energy on this?" maybe it's just me. anyway.
i called fireworks right before they played it, though i could sure do
without it. this was the only night i was sure they would do a second encore.
well, i wasn't sure, but i thought...they're coming back out to do fully,
inevitablity, and fire in the hole-in that order. but of course they
didn't. ahh, well. daks, sorry i missed you. ya know i could see you from
where i was sitting, but every time i looked, you weren't looking at me.
and then when i meant to go over at the end, i forgot. so, sorry about
that. just wanted to say hi.
some random thoughts about the week in general:
i find it hilarious when gord yells out "dinner" after the first verse
of ahead by a century. has everyone else noticed this? funny how one word
can add to an interpretation of the song as a whole. i think it just helps
paint the picture-these two kids are up in tree, in love or whatever, and
then one of their mothers kills the moment with "dinner!" i dig it.
i'm really enjoying kate's vocals. sorry to all you naysayers out there,
but ya know...on most songs, it sounds really good. there are times, when
she fucks up, but eh...gord fucked up wheat kings a couple days ago, no
biggie.
hmmm...that whole conversation about johnny getting fat? he's not.
i saw him from about 2 feet away, and his waist is tiny. i could have put
my hands around it. i would have. i mean...ahem. it's all about restaint.
painted restraint.
springtime is quickly becoming my designated bathroom break song.
everyone looks like they're having a blast. there's been all kinds
of smiling and laughing on stage for all of these dates that i've caught.
and both paul and gord s. said theyre really pleasantly surprised with
how well it's going. good.
i think i caught gord downie's cold.
that's it. retiring until detroit. my car and my credit card need a
rest.
meghan
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i want to review it but i havent before so i hope this is the right
place:
We got to Erie on Saturday and stayed at Justin's girlfriends Sorority
House (bonus). Sigma Sigma Sigma!! Went out to the Gannon University bars
and they were fun, $1.50 Rolling Rocks (bonus). Bars close at 2 which
blows being a person from WNY and our 4 am last calls. We didn't
fall asleep until about 6 am after countless games of Asshole where I was
the Asshole for about 90% of them. Woke up around 11 and the girls
made us breakfast while I called bars to see who was playing the Bills
game, and after the third one that was, I realized it was going to be on
at the house. After the first half it was only the 3 of us (Justin
Jeff and myself) because the girls couldn't quite understand our enthusiasm.
Now the outcome will remain unmentioned, lets put it this way, the girls
were no longer initiating conversations with us. The game ended at
around 4:30 after we witnessed the Flutie show...hey Canadians, I am the
only Buffalonian who thinks he should start...by now we wanted to
depart. We talked to Shane (you may know him as the happy go
lucky blonde kid with the tan fitted Sabre's hat who seems to be at every
show...the PIC from Dewey Beach Delaware on thehip.com is his) and he was
boozin' behind the theater near the busses. We questioned the girls
on Sunday alcohol sales in Ohio and got an unwanted answer. We could
have walked but decided to drive considering we had to find an open bar
to get a 12 pack (I still can't understand this concept). When we
pulled in the McD's lot I spotted an Irish bar with a neon sign devoted
to selling Sunday 12's. While Justin and Jeff ordered my food I sprinted
to the bar and once again selected Rolling Rock, hey "When in Rome" right.
When I got back to McD's they hadn't even cracked the line. I think
those 2 brothers from Hamilton that everyone seems to talk about were there.
We witnessed the dirtiest McDonald's with hands down the slowest cashier
in the History of the world. I put the Rocks in my bag and we headed
to the lot. We found Shane easily and began boozin' too. He
informed us he had spotted Gord D. with his large body guard and spoke
to Chris Brown just randomly walking the street. We drank and chatted
hockey and the movement of the Bills to T. O. with a couple GTA residents
(5 years tops). 7 rolled around and we went in just as hail came
rushing down. The other 2 went to piss while I spotted the seats...row
double C but it doesnt really matter. I went to talk to the dude
with the taping equipment at left center middle and I found out he was
from Lockport which is 3 towns away and
got his number so I can get a bunch of shows I've been to. I
lost the opening song bet...I said Tiger when my reliable horse Grace 2
was the correct answer. Show started off great except the stupid
usher making me get out of the aisle...I just wanted to shake my ass!
Dont wake daddy was great. I can't talk enough about the lighting especially
during Tiger the Lion. Then the intermission, which should be called the
beer break, I was in line with a kid from North Tonawanda which is a town
over and he told me how he was front row in Cleveland and got the setlist
and stuffed it in his pocket, and I started lauging and asked him if he
remembered the kid who asked if he could see it and he said "no, look on
the website", and ran away thinking I was going to steal it, which I probably
was, and we started laughing. He also told me that the Buffalo cover
band Strictly Hip who plays the Crocodile Bar on Chippewa every Sunday
night was playing with ex-posion guitarist C. C. Deville. I guess
C C saw them there asked what they played and they filled him in about
the Hip so he went out and bought all of there CD's and plays
now. Either this kid is blowing smoke up my ass or C C sure is
desperate. We both purchased beer which was unfortunately Railsplitter
(some Erie beer) which to my surprise wasn't so bad. On my way back
to my seat I saw a high school friend and shot the shit, then I sat on
the couch with Justin's girlfriend and 2 sorority sisters. And when
those dudes with the hockey
helmets came by I wished them a happy thanksgiving and the girls gave
me the weirdest look, obviously unaware of the differing Canadian holiday.
Second set was better...Screamed for NY during flamenco (Kate is a very
nice complement when used the right way). Stay is my new favorite
song and I reminded Jeff this by yanking his arm. I also reminded
the group to exert the most energy when Gord said BUFFALO, but I still
wished he would have let us sing "If I die of vanity..." I must say
I wasn't impressed with the encore. On the way out Jeff found a twenty
dollar bill so if anyone can claim it...sucks to be you. In the lot
we saw Shane and he and Lisa hit the jack pot...she got 2 setlists and
a drumstick and he got a setlist...that's awesome. We stood outside
the bus and slowly but surely it dwindled down to about 20 heads.
Then Bobby came out and gave the 1 second pointer finger and went in the
bus. When he came out he had a smile from ear to ear and started
signing. Being a person who has been to numerous hip shows in obscure
places where he drank with the band, Shane had the kindness in his heart
to shove me up front with Lisa so I could get a sign. When Bobby
got to us I asked why the Toronto shows were so far apart and he said something
about the ice-capades and then the skydome, then I asked why they haven't
played skydome. He chuckled and said it wouldn't fill and I obviously
flattered him by disagreeing with him, then he said he saw a few shows
there and it didn't sound so good. He signed my ticket then I turned
to Justin and Jeff and jokingly shrieked like an NSYNC fan. He then left
and we stood around for a little more while Chris Brown walked on the bus
and no one seemed to care. Jeff and Justin decided to leave but I wasn't
moving. Finally the pinnacle. Gordy came out with the aforementioned
bodyguard and began to sign. He got to me and he was reclusive, and
under the circumstances tired and hoarse. He signed and I was a third
speechless, a third understanding that at this point in time he really
didn't want to hear my dumbass questions anyway, and a
third afraid that I would blurt some question like "Why do you shave
your head" and all 20 people would sneer at me. I watched him sign
for a couple minutes and then shook his hand and I realized Paul was signing
too but I had no chance although I was more than satisfied. The best
thing about Gord was he asked everyone what their name was before he signed.
I then walked back to the house which was 3 BLOCKS AWAY!!! I guarantee
I had the shortest destination home beside the people staying in the Avalon
Hotel. Jeff and Justin were waiting with a case of Blue purchased
from the help of the discovered twenty. I showed the girls the autograph's
and they were jealous due to the fact this was their first hip show and
were obviously impressed by Gord in a way that all girls are to lead singers...hey
I'm sure Meatloaf and John Popper have their share of Groupies too, not
to take anything away from Gord...he is a true showman! We were chatting
in the kitchen and Justin
began mocking me in an NSYNC fan mode shrieking "I'm never going to
wash this hand." I replied "I shook Gordy's hand so now his hand
is on mine, so you guys should want to shake my hand." Then Jeff
said "Go play with yourself and then you can tell people Gordy that Gordy
did it for you." I thought he took that a little too far. In
closing great weekend, and the boys attitude and friendliness made me an
even bigger fan (if that is even possible).
See y'all @ the bank on December 20th (HSBC arena) go to Chippewa after!
www.brizand.homepage.com
Mike BrAND from GrAND IslAND
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Erie was great, but I couldn't believe how quickly the show seemed
to go by! The boys must have gotten home for Thanksgiving dinner
Monday, since we saw the tour buses driving up State Street sometime before
midnight as we were walking back to the hotel from the bar. We waved,
don't know if they saw :) Speaking of Thanksgiving, did anyone else
catch the little turkey dance Gord was doing during a song in the first
set (can't remember which), where he sort of splayed his fingers out behind
his butt like a turkey's tailfeathers? It made me laugh!
I wasn't crazy about the Chris and Kate thing before - I didn't dislike them, but it seemed to be too much to have them in every single song. I can definitely say that after Erie my opinion has changed. Kate has found her place within the band, and her vocals were a very nice addition, when she did sing. I think that's the big difference, as Ian pointed out in his post. She's not trying to sing in every single song anymore. And she was perfect in Scared and Flamenco. The crowd certainly thought so too, judging from the crowd's cheers. Anyway, I have been converted. One thing I'm wondering is why they haven't played Pines yet - that song would be perfect with Kate there.
s
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NO throwing tomatoes......pleeze !
Last week I sat in my livingroom looking at the hundreds of HIP tapes
& cds, they dont belong to me, they belong to my boyfriend. I wasn't
a Hip fan, never really heard of them, never listened to them and couldn't
even tell you what songs they sang...
ALL THIS CHANGED.......my boyfriend dragged me to the Erie show....and
WOW!! They knocked me off my feet ...they were incredible...they sounded
great....!!
I've read all the comments about Kate, and how Gord wasn't his usual
wild self etc etc...
Seeing the show through my eyes.....it was amazing !! We met the boys
out back before the sound check, they were great,
another fan lent me a blanket while waiting to meet them.....you fans
are great !!
What an experience.....I'm still humming their tunes...
We've also got ticket for Hamilton and both in Toronto...now I can't wait ! WOOHOO!
Still smiling,
Michelle :o)