Canadian Rock’s Poet Laureate Returns

The Tragically Hip have a new album, a new producer, a new tour — and a meatier sound

Vancouver Sun - October 14, 2006

Judging by his animated onstage antics and offbeat lyrics, you might expect Gord Downie to be a jocular sort, full of jokes and hilarious stories.
But no. The tall thin guy in the Andy Capp hat sitting in the coffee shop of the Coast Plaza Hotel on a glorious Tuesday morning is surprisingly subdued, with more of a Commercial Drive poet vibe than a small-town Ontario rocker feel.
Downie is in town for a press tour to promote the new Tragically Hip CD, World Container. If you count the hit CD/DVD Hipeponymous, it’s the band’s 14th album. But with the help of erstwhile Vancouverite Bob Rock, it sounds as fresh and invigorating as anything the band has done in years.
Rock is famous as a hard rock producer who helped bring acts such as Metallica and Motley Crue massive mainstream success. Rock has a rep as a demanding producer, someone who drives musicians nuts by doing things over and over and over again until they get it right. But Downie said the band went in without any preconceptions, and were gratified with the results.
“I don’t know a lot of the [Bob Rock] mythology,” Downie said.
“I didn’t see the films, and I didn’t read the books. What I found was a warm, engaging, interested, enthusiastic, inquisitive 16-year-old, with great hair and an incredible work ethic. He was the first one there and the last one to leave, and he was easily the most enthusiastic person on this project. A revelation is what I called him then, and it’s what I think now.”
The record definitely sounds like the Tragically Hip, but it is a bit different. The crunch of the guitars is a bit meatier, and there are some very poppy melodies.
Downie said Rock wasn’t shy about making musical suggestions.
“He would preface it with ‘Call me crazy …,’ ‘This might be nuts …,’ but they were constant,” Downie said.
“I think he was very impressed with the group, as I was, at their ability to conjure up what he needed almost instantly. That’s something about the Hip that maybe a lot of people don’t know, that these guys could do almost anything he asked them to do.”
One of the most intriguing songs is The Lonely End of the Rink, which has an opening guitar riff that is very Coldplay or U2. But the lyric is very Canadian: the phrase came out of Downie’s days as a hockey goalie.
“That’s an interesting story,” Downie said.
“My brother suggested I write a song called The Lonely End of the Rink, based on a letter that he found that I had sent to my dad at some point, maybe for a birthday or something. I had said to my dad in that letter, ‘Thanks for being there at the lonely end of the rink with me.’
“I was a kid growing up in a small town, all there is to do is play hockey, and I was a goalie. He wasn’t a hockey dad: he had five kids and he was a salesman, so he could rarely attend the games. But I would look up and he would be there, and he would hold his fist in the air. And that would say to me ‘I’m here, but I can’t come down there, you have to play the position, I can’t.’
“My brother suggested that to me, and I went home and wrote the song in about 20 minutes. It debuted on Hockey Night in Canada last Saturday night with a full video montage underneath it of goalies being scored on. Goalies playing the most noble position in all of sports.
“But in and of itself it’s not just a hockey song. I think it’s really a song about that voice, that person that we all have, that we all carry with us into whatever it is we need them for. The person we use for the hard stuff.”
You might be able to glean the meaning of The Lonely End of the Rink without an explanation, but some of Downie’s lyrics are a bit more … obtuse. There’s a great line in Fly (“coastline rising out of the ocean, coastline rising like a pair of glowing thighs”), but frankly I had no idea what the song was about. So I asked Downie, who said the song was “loosely inspired by the plight of the refugee in this country.”
“The person that comes over very qualified to make a very positive contribution to Canadian society, let’s say, and ends up driving a cab or pushing a broom, you know?” he explained. “If there’s anything holding this country back, it might be the under-utilization of some of our finest citizens.”
Agreed, but frankly I’m still confused about the glowing thighs … maybe that’s the vision new immigrants have of B.C. or Newfoundland when they fly in from abroad.
In any event, the Tragically Hip will be promoting the record with a cross-Canada tour of smaller venues; the current plan is to take it to the hockey rinks in early 2007, then go to the States and Europe.
The Hip have a famously fanatical fan base. There’s a fan website called Hipbase that keeps track of every show they ever play (the total to date is 755 concerts, 453 different venues, 227 different cities, and 159 songs in the band’s catalogue).
Given their fanatical fans, it isn’t surprising that the Tragically Hip sold out all four Vancouver shows at the Commodore Ballroom (Nov 3, 4, 6 and 7) in something like 12 minutes.
Downie loves playing the historic Commodore, which is steeped in rock and roll history.
“It’s to be part of a great chronology of live entertainment, a great lineage, to be part of that line of performers,” he said.
“You want to honour the tradition, you want to live up to your calling or something. You want to be great. Like the greats before you.”

Edmonton Journal: A Hip displacement of water

A Hip displacement of water
Love and liquid abound on band’s liveliest disc in years
Published: Saturday, October 14, 2006
EDMONTON – It’s almost too tragic to even think about — life without The Hip.

Frontman Gord Downie won’t come out and say his group was on the verge of breaking up, but he does admit the 23-year-old Canadian rock institution didn’t have any plans after recording the first four songs for World Container, in stores Tuesday.

“We weren’t convinced we were going to see each other again,” he says during a brief promotional stop in Edmonton.

“There was no tension or anything, but nothing was planned. It wasn’t like, ‘Oh, we’re going to make a record.’ It was like, ‘We’ll meet in Vancouver and we’ll cut a few songs and we’ll go from there.’ That’s about as planned as it got.”

Two studio sessions and a year later, The Tragically Hip give us their liveliest album in years, World Container, featuring hints of reggae, gang vocals, Moogs, ’70s punk, sexy bass grooves and some of most straightforward, personal and powerful lyrics ever written by Downie. “I love you / You know I do,” he sings on the first single, In View, a boppy, rootsy ditty about phone calls.

Love and water, in lakes, oceans or frozen sheets of ice, play a central role in The Hip’s songs.

One of the most touching is The Lonely End of the Rink, a cold-climate number propelled by the sunny reggae rhythms of Jamaica.

It’s also a tale of silent solidarity, inspired by Downie’s dad.

“I was a rink-rat growing up,” he says. “I was a goalie and my father was a busy father of five, so he would come when he could. When he did show up, I’d look up and there he would be. He’d never go so far as saying ‘I’ll be there,’ because you don’t break promises to children — unless you’re Stephen Harper — and then I’d make a couple of saves, look up and he’d be gone. So it was a really cool phantom in my life.”

Downie credits The Hip’s newfound exuberance to powerhouse producer Bob Rock, who recently severed ties with Metallica after a decade of recording with Lars Ulrich and company.

You wouldn’t know it by listening to The Hip’s 50 Mission Cap or Little Bones or Fireworks, but the Kingston rockers are big fans of Rock’s work on Motley Crue’s 1989 metal classic, Dr. Feelgood.

“Every musician I knew of every stripe had that record, because the snare drum just sounded so good,” smiles the singer.

“I think Bob brings an artistry to everything he does. I think he’s underestimated, I think people assume too much about him. He’s very much an artist in temperament, inquisitiveness, work ethic. He’s got the heart and soul of a painter.”

As the “benevolent dictator” of the project, Rock tried to wring every ounce of passion out of the musicians and push them in new directions. Every day in the studio was an unpredictable adventure.

“He would hear (a song) and say, ‘I want to do this.’ He’d preface everything with ‘Call me crazy or this might be in-sane … . ‘ It was endless,” says Downie.

“He doesn’t plan too far ahead, he doesn’t plan two lines ahead in a song or chorus. This is what’s in front of him, this is what he thinks we should do, this will be our next step. That’s very refreshing. That’s how we approached it. I’m very lucky to have met him when we did. It feels like we just started (as a band).”

Downie says working on World Container in bits and pieces was also a big help for The Hip, who released their self-titled debut in 1987. For the first time in the group’s recording history, the five musicians were able to take a break from their songs and contemplate them over a few weeks.

“It was a real boon to the record to be able to step away, in my case, and listen to the lyrics and reconfigure and edit them. As opposed to being immersed in them for six weeks. You can get very lost in that. This way, it was very civilized — do a few tracks, step back, listen to them, go back in, mix things, change things. I would do it the same way from now on. It’s not very practical, but it was the way to go,” says Downie.

“It allowed the record to organically develop, for it to make its needs known, as opposed to us forcing too much, trying too many changes. It allowed us to be very patient with the material. You have to — you have to allow something to tell you what it wants to be.” For the first time, the enigmatic lyricist was also challenged by one of his producers.

Rock wanted to know the meaning behind all of Downie’s cryptic lyrics and persuaded him to use repeating choruses on Fly — a songwriting convention he usually spurns. He even uses the same opening line — “You said, ‘If I ask you a question, are you gonna lie to me?’ ” — in two songs, The Kids Don’t Get It, a clangy punk number, and Pretend, a soaring piano ballad.

“I was definitely shooting for conciseness. Bob did a lot for adding a whole chapter to my book on how to be a songwriter,” he says. “He was very, very helpful. It wasn’t easy. We’d talk a lot, which to date, I hadn’t really done much. It’s fine — producers have a lot on their plate when they’re making records, but Bob manages to fit it all in.”

More importantly, Downie says he has a greater appreciation for his friends and bandmates, guitarist Rob Baker, drummer Johnny Fay, bassist Gord Sinclair and guitarist Paul Langlois.

They’ll tour Canada in January and February, but exact dates haven’t been announced yet.

“You sort of get so lulled into thinking of yourself as this five-headed thing, the group, the band, The Hip, I guess you just forget,” he admits. “It’s a family, and like every good family, you can forget. But you’re also committed to each other, so there’s always room to grow, to learn and relearn.”

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CANOE.ca: Gord Downie is Hip to saving Earth

CANOE — JAM! Music – Artists – Tragically Hip, The: Gord Downie is Hip to saving Earth
Gord Downie is Hip to saving Earth
By YURI WUENSCH — Edmonton Sun

Gord Downie

What Gord Downie wants is a nice, clean Bath.

gd256.jpgThe Tragically Hip’s lead singer was in Edmonton at the Fairmont Hotel Macdonald last Wednesday on a press stop for the band’s 11th full-length album, World Container. It’s out this Tuesday. But, in talking about the new LP, his thoughts drifted back to Bath, a hamlet on the shores of Lake Ontario, roughly a 15-minute drive from the band’s native Kingston.

In Bath, the Hip has a recording studio, dubbed “the Bath House.” But from out the studio’s back window, the otherwise scenic horizon line is in doubt.

“There’s a cement kiln beside our studio that wants to start burning tires as an alternative fuel,” says Downie, “but it’s really to save a couple million dollars.”

Downie grew up around the lake, so he has a vested interest in seeing it protected. He’s also one of its three trustees via Waterkeeper Alliance, a grassroots organization committed to protecting the world’s waterways.

While he’s happy to answer questions about the new album, Downie seems happiest when asked questions about the environment – he brightens with one of those “I’m glad you asked” expressions when asked about his Waterkeeper Alliance hoodie.

Fortunately, when you’re talking up environmental-related issues and World Container, you tangentially end up talking about the same thing.

Never obviously, though, and never, as Downie says, in a “pedantic or overbearing way.” Recorded in Hawaii, Vancouver and Toronto with veteran producer Bob Rock, the album sees the band tackling new instrumentation (glockenspiel, Moog, harpschichord and epic keys courtesy of Jamie Edwards) and another topic Downie has, to a degree, avoided in the past: love.

“I decided I’d avoided the elephant in the room – love in general – long enough,” he explains. “It’s some dogged pursuit of the non-cliche or the unique thought. I’d just ignored it, because love’s been done to death. When you start poking around, though, it’s the taking a crack at it – that’s the thing. I had to find out what it meant to me.”

But the album does reflect the growing sense of urgency and frustration Downie feels towards environmental preservation. From the ozone-iconography pictured on the disc itself to the album’s very title, which Downie says could have a double meaning of “World: contain her.”

“Ron MacLean (of Hockey Night in Canada) mistakenly called the album Container World and I like that even more,” says Downie.

The album’s title track is also damning of our current environmental trajectory. With lines like “What we have here are all flaws in progress” or, pointing a finger at Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s Conservative government, “When the country quits on you, it must be dinner.”

“The status quo is not even close to good enough anymore,” laments Downie. “Canadians are clamouring for more and Harper is going backwards.

“They keep talking about rolling out a Made-in-Canada plan to reduce emissions by consulting between industry and government for the next year and they take even longer to implement a plan to cut CO2 emissions. We already have something called the Environmental Protection Act sitting right there to be used – just enforce the rules.

“Pretty soon, people are going to start looking at Canada and going, ‘What the hell is the matter with you guys?’ ”

It’s a question, realizes Downie, that the Tragically Hip’s zealous Canadian fan base has also faced over the years. And it’s a topic that makes him uncomfortable, because he dislikes the idea of a Tragically Hip fan being so easily defined.

The diverse ways the band reaches people, either through his songwriting or in performance, are being reflected on the Hip’s website through the Hip Story Project, inviting people to share their sometimes life-changing TTH tales online.

“The allure of the band is a mystery to some people and as hard as they might try to crack that allure, they kind of end up with this one slightly discriminatory idea that they’re an underclass of people who don’t know any better.

“I think that’s always been the thing that’s sort of been raced over by people who take a view of the group and what it means to people. I’ve watched them painted with one brush and it never quite covers the whole canvas.”

The Colour Of The Night – Now Showing!

As previously posted, “The Colour Of The Night – A Photographic Retrospective Of The Tragically Hip” through the lens of Richard Beland opened on October 1 at the Pikto Gallery in Toronto’s Historic Distillery District. I went to the opening gala last night and it was fantastic! As MAv pointed out, Richard is a super nice guy, and was a gracious host.

Sean PennMAv, Rob Baker and a guy who looked exactly like Sean Penn all made appearances before I left the event. (MAv, I’ve got discs for you – see you next Sunday.)

And for those with a few extra bucks in their pockets, all of the prints are for sale – starting at $30.

eTtalk Daily and http://web2.0television.com/ were there with their cameras rolling… keep an eye out for the broadcast as both of them interviewed Rob & Richard.

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CANOE — JAM! Music – Artists – Tragically Hip, The: The Hip to chat live Oct. 23rd

CANOE — JAM! Music – Artists – Tragically Hip, The: The Hip to chat live Oct. 23rd

JAM! is excited to announce details of our live online chat with Canadian rockers, The Tragically Hip.

Hip guitarists Rob Baker and Paul Langlois will be joining us live on Monday, October 23 @ 12:30 p.m. ET for a one-hour chat.

Baker and Langlois will be answering questions from fans and talking about their upcoming disc “World Container,” which is set to hit Canadian stores on October 17.

Want to know why they chose Bob Rock to produce their album? How about a full-fledged Canadian tour in the future? How about the future of the band?

Start jotting down your questions — we will be posting up the chat window in the next few days for your submissions.